{"id":18246,"date":"2022-03-02T23:09:14","date_gmt":"2022-03-02T23:09:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/index.php\/2022\/03\/02\/federal-court-rejects-former-us-ambassadors-attempt-to-sue-google-over-things-telegram-users-may-or-may-not-have-posted\/"},"modified":"2022-03-02T23:09:14","modified_gmt":"2022-03-02T23:09:14","slug":"federal-court-rejects-former-us-ambassadors-attempt-to-sue-google-over-things-telegram-users-may-or-may-not-have-posted","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/index.php\/2022\/03\/02\/federal-court-rejects-former-us-ambassadors-attempt-to-sue-google-over-things-telegram-users-may-or-may-not-have-posted\/","title":{"rendered":"Federal Court Rejects Former US Ambassador&#8217;s Attempt To Sue Google Over Things Telegram Users May Or May Not Have Posted"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/go.fiverr.com\/visit\/?bta=1052423&nci=17043\" Target=\"_Top\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/fiverr.ck-cdn.com\/tn\/serve\/?cid=40081059\" loading=\"lazy\"  width=\"601\" height=\"201\"><\/a>\n<br \/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/wp-content\/themes\/techdirt\/assets\/images\/techdirt-white-square.png\" loading=\"lazy\" \/><\/p>\n<div>\n<h3>from the <i>waste-of-everyone&#8217;s-time-but-mostly-a-waste-of-the-plaintiff&#8217;s-money<\/i> dept<\/h3>\n<p>People feeling <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20210707\/09580147124\/it-can-always-get-dumber-trump-sues-facebook-twitter-youtube-claiming-his-own-government-violated-constitution.shtml\">ways about stuff<\/a> continue to file <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20190215\/17523841606\/latest-garbage-twitter-terrorism-lawsuit-is-stupidest-twitter-terrorism-lawsuit.shtml\">stupid lawsuits<\/a> against all and sundry because, well, we have a pretty open court system (which is good!) and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20180216\/14542539253\/loss-9th-circuit-appeals-court-isnt-slowing-1-800-lawfirms-lawsuit-crusade-against-social-media-companies.shtml\">not enough lawyers<\/a> willing to tell people their stupid lawsuits are unwinnable (not great!). [For everything else, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20150718\/07451331682\/frivolous-serial-pro-se-litigant-upset-journalists-portrayed-him-as-frivolous-serial-litigant.shtml\">there\u2019s <em>pro se<\/em><\/a>.]\n<p>This completely foreseen ending at the hands of a federal court is not the result of a winnable lawsuit. It\u2019s also not the result of an average person deciding they can lawyer themselves up (avert your eyes, children!). It\u2019s someone who should know better being represented by someone who should <em>definitely<\/em> know better.<\/p>\n<p>The plaintiff is Marc Ginsberg, who <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marc_Ginsberg#Career\">briefly served as a US ambassador<\/a>. The lawyer is Keith Altman, formerly of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20190418\/15241142040\/another-attempt-to-tie-twitter-to-terrorist-acts-another-dismissal-with-prejudice.shtml\">Excolo Law<\/a>, who has screwed plenty of clients by pretending it\u2019s actually possible to sue social media services for the physical, deadly acts of terrorists. Excolo Law, along with shitty lawsuit boutique 1-800-LAW-FIRM, have yet to win <em>any<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20191209\/20241743537\/losing-streak-continues-litigants-suing-social-media-companies-over-violence-committed-terrorists.shtml\">of the several lawsuits<\/a> they\u2019ve filed on behalf of victims of terrorism.<\/p>\n<p>This lawsuit is no less stupid. (It\u2019s stupider, actually.) Ambassador Ginsberg (as he insists on referring to himself in the lawsuit) sued <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20210125\/16232046115\/former-us-ambassador-sues-apple-because-telegram-users-are-making-him-feel-scared-update.shtml\">both Apple and Google<\/a>, claiming their failure to remove the Telegram app from their respective stores somehow wrecked up his life by potentially subjecting him to anti-Semitic content. How this happened is anyone\u2019s guess, considering Ginsberg admitted in his lawsuit he himself has never downloaded the app or accessed any content (anti-Semitic or otherwise) posted by Telegram users.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBreach of duty\u201d Ginsberg (via Altman) claimed. Apple and Google both owed Ginsberg the right to be free of anti-Semitic content posted by third parties to third parties apps. Ginsberg would have been better served by withdrawing <a href=\"https:\/\/www.uscourts.gov\/services-forms\/fees\/us-court-federal-claims-fee-schedule#:~:text=for%20filing%20a%20civil%20action%20or%20proceeding%2C%20%24350.2\">$350<\/a> from the bank and setting it on fire while his lawyer typed up an affidavit affirming his client had indeed torched the contents of his wallet in the presence of his legal representative.<\/p>\n<p>Google <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20210423\/16215846670\/google-says-pretty-much-everything-shields-it-being-sued-over-things-telegram-users-said.shtml\">moved to dismiss<\/a> the suit three months after it was filed, pointing out literally <u>nothing<\/u> in well-settled US law said it could be held responsible for content posted by users of services Google did not directly control. (Even if Google did own Telegram, Section 230 would still protect it from this lawsuit. Google does not own Telegram, so the motion to dismiss could have just been \u201clolwut\u201d in 72-point type and still have been just as effective.)<\/p>\n<p>The court has agreed with the basic tenets of law, logic, and Google. Ambassador Ginsberg has wasted his filing fee and whatever he spent retaining the \u201cservices\u201d of Keith Altman. The federal court says there\u2019s nothing to sue over and has disinvited Ginsberg from continuing to assert there is.<\/p>\n<p>Ginsberg tried to duck Section 230 by claiming this wasn\u2019t about third party content (but it totally is). He claimed this was about Google (and Apple) not enforcing their own app store rules to eject apps that traffic in objectionable content. But this rule only applies to the apps themselves. It\u2019s up to the platform providers to police the content of their users. And app store guidelines are just that: guidelines. They\u2019re not legally binding agreements with app users. And they\u2019re definitely not <em>any<\/em> sort of agreement with people <u>who don\u2019t even use the apps they\u2019re suing about<\/u>.<\/p>\n<p>That just doesn\u2019t work, as the <a href=\"https:\/\/s3.documentcloud.org\/documents\/21274609\/gtfo-ambassador.pdf\">court<\/a> [PDF] points out:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em><strong>Plaintiffs in the present case do not allege the existence of a contract \u2013 or <u>indeed any interaction<\/u> \u2013 between themselves and Google<\/strong>. Plaintiffs do not allege that Ambassador Ginsberg purchased his smartphone from Google or that he downloaded Telegram or any other app from the Play Store. Thus, the Barnes court\u2019s rationale for finding that Section 230 did not bar Barnes\u2019 promissory estoppel claim is not applicable here.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Section 230 applies. So does pretty much everything else, which means there\u2019s nothing in California law that will help Ginsberg, either. There\u2019s no negligent infliction of emotional distress by Google (since Google did not create the distressing content) and there\u2019s no violation of California\u2019s Unfair Competition Law (UCL).<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><strong><em>Plaintiffs has not cited, and the Court has not discovered, any authority for the proposition that Google\u2019s publication of guidelines for its app developers creates an enforceable duty to any purchaser of an Android device.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>[\u2026]<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>In the present case, Plaintiffs have not alleged facts showing that Google\u2019s compliance with its developer guidelines was an agreed-upon benefit of the phone purchase transaction. Plaintiffs do not allege that Ambassador Ginsberg purchased the phone from Google, so no such agreement could have been reached at the point of sale. Plaintiffs point to Google\u2019s guidelines for app developers who distribute apps through the Play Store. However, <strong>Plaintiffs do not allege any basis for Ambassador Ginsberg\u2019s apparent belief that Google\u2019s enforcement of those guidelines was part of his bargain with whomever he purchased the smartphone from<\/strong>. Consequently, Plaintiffs have not plausibly alleged that Google\u2019s alleged failure to enforce its guidelines for app developers, that is, failure to remove Telegram from the Play Store, caused Plaintiffs to suffer economic injury.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>So long, says the court, without adding \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/5I1gLty.jpg\">good luck<\/a>.\u201d This is the end (barring an appeal). There\u2019s no argument to be had, no matter how much the plaintiff wants there to be.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><em>The Court nonetheless concludes that leave to amend is not warranted because amendment would be futile. It is clear from the FAC [first amended complaint] that Plaintiffs\u2019 claims are barred by Section 230 of the CDA, that Plaintiffs lack statutory standing under the UCL, and that the facts of this case do not give rise to liability for NIED [negligent infliction of emotional distress]. Plaintiffs have given no indication, either in their opposition brief or during oral argument, that they could allege additional facts to cure these deficiencies. To the contrary, Plaintiffs clearly have set forth the facts upon which their claims are based. In the view of the Court, those facts simply do not give rise to a viable claim against Google.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Based on its determination that amendment would be futile, the motion to dismiss is GRANTED WITHOUT LEAVE TO AMEND.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Adios, ambassador. If the anti-Semitic content posted by some Telegram users bothers you, perhaps it\u2019s best to keep doing what you were already doing: not downloading or using Telegram. How the hell you thought this was Google\u2019s problem is completely inexplicable, although I imagine Keith Altman \u2014 the lawyer behind a whole bunch of similarly-misguided lawsuits \u2014 played a large part in this windmill joust.<\/p>\n<p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" data-lazy=\"true\" data-src=\"https:\/\/embed.documentcloud.org\/documents\/21274609-gtfo-ambassador\/?embed=1&amp;responsive=0&amp;sidebar=0&amp;title=1&amp;text=0\" title=\"gtfo ambassador (Hosted by DocumentCloud)\" width=\"560\" height=\"700\" style=\"border: 1px solid #aaa;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-forms allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"filed\">\nFiled Under: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/app-stores\/\" rel=\"tag\">app stores<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/keith-altman\/\" rel=\"tag\">keith altman<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/marc-ginsberg\/\" rel=\"tag\">marc ginsberg<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/section-230\/\" rel=\"tag\">section 230<\/a><br \/>\n<br \/>Companies: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/company\/apple\/\" rel=\"category tag\">apple<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/company\/google\/\" rel=\"category tag\">google<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/company\/telegram\/\" rel=\"category tag\">telegram<\/a>\n<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<iframe data-lazy=\"true\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.fiverr.com\/gig_widgets?id=U2FsdGVkX18x7XQvttUTrv1oEqmGNGTgvvCUiUoJ\/AP4z\/UyMz8lXGOLpu15jIMxBbTR0gmD5uBoFvhC4KWeALQRp3h\/X\/AwcVD0K8Wj9H\/ZzYKzcCNHosB9oS4SCJJFWiN85P9ICAc4OgCoE\/wHKIY7CDkf2\/DQ1vqGvk4smVe5cRDEmrLPCWi4FC8p40VUhSmWQ5udCm0zoJtorgWv3vbDQw0kKYkwn39ozAnQXDe+YvWMxkLFWA+O3TFwkJvdkIK+\/AUSnRssPKt5WHY0FhNOxnSPcLslEL4G4\/RfP95ve99U+kRnDy3X+KtzdQLY+u935ghON\/o3UE4IMv9oN6JX9RnxzL\/LRcOgnHigxStSGPKsZYtnz8RWNVT\/rOLAibqiWJadC5MYHRbekF3eg6FOGrQGkXYbsn0+a5aovnlLCbLwIqY9fcS17UX8J235iQ6cdmHNbrPeS84CMm34RA==&affiliate_id=1052423&strip_google_tagmanager=true\" loading=\"lazy\" data-with-title=\"true\" class=\"fiverr_nga_frame\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"350\" width=\"100%\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer-when-downgrade\" data-mode=\"random_gigs\" onload=\" var frame = this; var script = document.createElement('script'); script.addEventListener('load', function() { window.FW_SDK.register(frame); }); script.setAttribute('src', 'https:\/\/www.fiverr.com\/gig_widgets\/sdk'); document.body.appendChild(script); \" ><\/iframe>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/2022\/03\/02\/federal-court-rejects-former-us-ambassadors-attempt-to-sue-google-over-things-telegram-users-may-may-not-have-posted\/\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>from the waste-of-everyone&#8217;s-time-but-mostly-a-waste-of-the-plaintiff&#8217;s-money dept People feeling ways about stuff continue to file stupid lawsuits against all and sundry because, well, we have a pretty open&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":18245,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-18246","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-tech-universe"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Federal Court Rejects Former US Ambassador&#039;s Attempt To Sue Google Over Things Telegram Users May Or May Not Have Posted - mailinvest.blog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Technology is forever changing, and there are always new pieces of technology to replace obsolete ones. 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