{"id":14071,"date":"2022-02-16T22:49:07","date_gmt":"2022-02-16T22:49:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/index.php\/2022\/02\/16\/nasa-says-2nd-gen-starlink-satellites-will-cause-headaches-for-nasa-hubble\/"},"modified":"2022-02-16T22:49:07","modified_gmt":"2022-02-16T22:49:07","slug":"nasa-says-2nd-gen-starlink-satellites-will-cause-headaches-for-nasa-hubble","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/index.php\/2022\/02\/16\/nasa-says-2nd-gen-starlink-satellites-will-cause-headaches-for-nasa-hubble\/","title":{"rendered":"NASA Says 2nd Gen Starlink Satellites Will Cause Headaches For NASA, Hubble"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/go.fiverr.com\/visit\/?bta=1052423&nci=17043\" Target=\"_Top\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/fiverr.ck-cdn.com\/tn\/serve\/?cid=40081059\" loading=\"lazy\"  width=\"601\" height=\"201\"><\/a>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<h3>from the <i>not-worth-it<\/i> dept<\/h3>\n<p>\nThe problem with Space X&#8217;s Starlink, as we&#8217;ve noted a few times, is several fold. One, the initial deployment of roughly 12,000 low orbit satellites is only going to be able to service around <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lightreading.com\/satellite\/starlinks-threat-to-wired-broadband-minimal---analyst-\/d\/d-id\/768528\">500,000 to 800,000<\/a> <b>total<\/b> subscribers. In a country with 20-40 million who lack broadband, and another 83 million who live under a broadband monopoly. So despite a lot of rhetoric to the contrary, it&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20210510\/08050146767\/elon-musk-makes-it-clear-starlink-wont-have-capacity-to-disrupt-us-broadband.shtml\">barely going to put a dent<\/a> in the problem it claims to solve. At $100 per month (plus $500 hardware charge) it&#8217;s also not all that affordable, the other major issue for rural Americans without broadband.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nThe other major problem for Starlink is the fact the low orbit constellations cause <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20200831\/07155145218\/astronomers-say-space-x-astronomy-pollution-cant-be-fixed.shtml\">significant light pollution that harms scientific research<\/a>, something Musk insisted <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/information-technology\/2020\/03\/musk-says-starlink-isnt-for-big-cities-wont-be-huge-threat-to-telcos\/\">absolutely wouldn&#8217;t happen<\/a> and scientists say can&#8217;t be mitigated. For Starlink to have a meaningful impact at scale (and make any money in the process) it needs both the struggling <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clickorlando.com\/news\/local\/2021\/12\/01\/spacex-delays-starlink-launch-as-elon-musk-warns-team-of-raptor-engine-crisis\">Raptor engine delays<\/a> to be resolved, it needs supply chain issues to be resolved, and it needs to launch roughly 30,000 second generation Starlink satellites.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nBut NASA is now warning the FCC that those newer satellites will cause <a href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/tech-policy\/2022\/02\/nasa-says-starlink-gen2-may-cause-problems-for-hubble-and-asteroid-detection\/\">even more problems for scientific research<\/a>, space flight, and the Hubble telescope:\n<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em><\/p>\n<p>\n&#8220;The Hubble orbits at 535 km, and about &#8220;8 percent of composite images captured by the Hubble telescope are impacted by satellites captured during exposures,&#8221; NASA said. &#8220;This proposed Starlink license amendment includes 10,000 satellites in or above the orbital range of Hubble, a situation that could more than double the fraction of Hubble images degraded.&#8221; NASA also said that &#8220;degradation severity will increase.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\nNASA&#8217;s letter to the FCC dings Starlink for being overly optimistic about this all either not being a problem or somehow working itself out (which has been a bit of a trend with the company). And again, this is all for a service whose reviews have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/22435030\/starlink-satellite-internet-spacex-review\">not been particularly great<\/a>.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nU.S. and European regulators alike were so high on Musk&#8217;s promise of next-gen connectivity they generally haven&#8217;t done much to implement basic guidelines for deployments or the rise of &#8220;space junk.&#8221; Worse, the Trump FCC decided to dole out <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20201210\/07280945859\/consumer-groups-say-fcc-just-blew-9-billion-to-deliver-broadband-to-already-served-rich-people.shtml\">nearly a billion in subsidies to Musk<\/a> (who claims to loathe subsidies) to deploy Starlink broadband to areas that didn&#8217;t make any coherent sense (like traffic medians and airport parking lots). Some of those subsidies have been rolled back via scrutiny by the Rosenworcel FCC, but it&#8217;s still not clear why the wealthiest man on the planet needs subsidization of any kind.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nSo far, Starlink only has about 150,000 customers due to supply chain constraints, and many of the customers waiting in line say Starlink customer service is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/spacex-starlink-customer-service-non-existent-satellite-internet-deposit-contact-2022-1\">basically nonexistent<\/a>. And while the service will certainly be a big step up for folks stuck in remote locations who can afford it, the reality is the majority of people just aren&#8217;t going to be able to get the service anytime soon. 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