{"id":104829,"date":"2025-12-03T22:31:38","date_gmt":"2025-12-03T22:31:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/index.php\/2025\/12\/03\/forget-whether-or-not-doge-exists-will-anyone-be-held-accountable-for-600000-deaths\/"},"modified":"2025-12-03T22:32:50","modified_gmt":"2025-12-03T22:32:50","slug":"forget-whether-or-not-doge-exists-will-anyone-be-held-accountable-for-600000-deaths","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/index.php\/2025\/12\/03\/forget-whether-or-not-doge-exists-will-anyone-be-held-accountable-for-600000-deaths\/","title":{"rendered":"Forget Whether Or Not DOGE Exists: Will Anyone Be Held Accountable For 600,000 Deaths?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/go.fiverr.com\/visit\/?bta=1052423&nci=17043\" Target=\"_Top\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/breek\/assets\/images\/transparent.gif\" data-lazy=\"true\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fiverr.ck-cdn.com\/tn\/serve\/?cid=40081059\"  width=\"601\" height=\"201\"><\/a>\n<br \/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/mailinvest.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/breek\/assets\/images\/transparent.gif\" data-lazy=\"true\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/wp-content\/themes\/techdirt\/assets\/images\/techdirt-white-square.png\" \/><\/p>\n<div>\n<h3>from the <i>where-are-the-legal-consequences<\/i> dept<\/h3>\n<p>First, let\u2019s dispense with the theater: the query of whether or not DOGE \u201cnonetheless exists\u201d as a proper entity utterly misses the purpose. The always-misleadingly-named \u201cDivision of Authorities Effectivity\u201d was by no means actually about effectivity. It was Elon Musk\u2019s excuse to achieve entry to the federal authorities\u2019s elementary programs and wreak havoc, Twitter-style\u2014smashing something that acquired in his manner, enriching his allies, and dismissing any penalties with a wave of his hand.<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cheadline\u201d from a current Reuters piece is the declare that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/us\/doge-doesnt-exist-with-eight-months-left-its-charter-2025-11-23\/\">DOGE has been disbanded<\/a> eight months earlier than its scheduled demise. Besides that seems to not be true. The White Home <a href=\"https:\/\/federalnewsnetwork.com\/it-modernization\/2025\/11\/doge-and-its-long-term-counterpart-remain-with-a-full-slate-of-modernization-projects-underway\/\">later disputed this story<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>The spokesperson, in response to written questions, confirmed DOGE nonetheless exists as a brief group inside the U.S. DOGE Service, and that Amy Gleason stays the appearing administrator of USDS.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>However, in fact, most of that is simply semantics, simply because the \u201cDOGE\u201d title has all the time been semantics as effectively. The thought was, from the very starting, a smash-and-grab job, during which Elon would get entry to the elemental (historically extremely guarded) programs of the US authorities and wreak havoc, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/2025\/01\/31\/elons-twitter-destruction-playbook-hits-the-us-government-and-its-even-more-dangerous\/\">Twitter-style<\/a>, during which something he and his suck-up compatriots didn\u2019t perceive could be deemed \u201cdangerous\u201d and something that helped enrich him and his mates could be deemed \u201cgood,\u201d and any penalties (together with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/2025\/08\/08\/doges-efficiency-theater-wasted-21-7-billion-while-destroying-life-saving-programs-based-on-conspiracy-theories\/\">destroying life-saving programs<\/a> across the globe) could be dismissed with the wave of a hand, and no culpability.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDOGE\u201d took over a non-temporary group: the beforehand extremely efficient US Digital Companies group, and like a parasite, took over its host by expelling all of those that did good work. It should stay.<\/p>\n<p>And, as Wired rightly notes, the DOGE bros at the moment are totally embedded <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wired.com\/story\/what-is-doge-doing-now\/\">throughout the federal government<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>\u201cThat\u2019s completely false,\u201d one USDA supply says of reporting that DOGE has disbanded. \u201c<\/em><strong><em>They&#8217;re actually burrowed into the companies like ticks<\/em><\/strong><em>.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Wired\u2019s report has particulars on a bunch of DOGE bros with little-to-no related expertise who&#8217;re persevering with the DOGE grift whereas employed all through the federal authorities, detailing the brand new (and continually altering) set of job titles of a bunch of the DOGE crew, nearly all of which they appear wholly unqualified for.<\/p>\n<p>However the larger story could also be now that they\u2019re scattered throughout the forms with out Elon as their defend, a few of these DOGE operatives are beginning to understand they could truly face authorized penalties for the very actual and really critical harm they brought on. A current Politico report famous that the youthful members of the crew are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/magazine\/2025\/11\/21\/doge-elon-musk-succession-00641110?nid=0000018f-3124-de07-a98f-3be4d1400000&amp;nname=politico-toplines&amp;nrid=35919ca2-83d2-4910-a353-0dcaa0b22ab6&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_source=substack\">getting genuinely worried<\/a> about how this ends:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>The destiny of their shared endeavor was now in deep jeopardy, and for the youngest members of the DOGE operation the danger appeared private. Musk had not been simply their visionary chief. For them, he was their protector: the person who had a direct line to Trump, who they believed might choose up the cellphone and safe a presidential pardon if the worst got here. With out his presence in Washington, they had been abruptly uncovered.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Because the solar fell on downtown Washington, the displaced dozen joined up with fellow DOGE staffers atop the nine-story GSA constructing, armed with beer, pretzels and La Croix, and ready for one thing akin to a wake. Phrase unfold in group chats on Sign, and by 9 p.m. the rooftop space was stuffed with dozens of staffers, a few of whom had already left DOGE.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Amid the group pictures and toasts, a senior DOGE determine named Donald Park tried to reassure his colleagues that they had been nonetheless \u201cbrothers in arms\u201d and that Musk would proceed to guard them, in accordance with three individuals who attended the gathering.<\/em> <strong><em>Different DOGE leaders had been much less sanguine. \u201cGuys, significantly,\u201d one warned, \u201cget your personal lawyer if you happen to want it. Elon\u2019s nice, however you have to watch your personal again.\u201d<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The query of whether or not or not DOGE nonetheless exists utterly misses the purpose. This group of overconfident know-nothings created actual harm not simply to the establishment of the federal authorities, however to many important initiatives across the globe. And they&#8217;ll by no means, ever, attempt to take accountability for his or her ignorant smashing of the system.<\/p>\n<p>Elon Musk, least of all. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/elon-musk-gives-bizarre-explanation-for-his-failed-doge-mission\/\">In recent interviews<\/a>, he\u2019s nonetheless rejecting the claims that the initiatives he gleefully lower resulted in any actual world hurt:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>In an interview with entrepreneur Nikhil Kamath on his<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Rni7Fz7208c\"><em><u>WTF Is<\/u><\/em><\/a> <em>podcast, Musk denied that DOGE\u2019s sweeping cost-cutting efforts and its mandate to<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/elon-musks-doge-burned-through-217-billion-of-taxpayer-cash\/\"><em><u>target federal \u201cwaste\u201d<\/u><\/em><\/a> <em>included \u201cstopping important funds to needy folks\u201d in Africa.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cFraudsters essentially will provide you with a really sympathetic argument. They\u2019re not going to say, \u2018Give us the cash for fraud,\u2019\u201d Musk stated. \u201cThey\u2019re going to attempt to make these sympathetic-sounding arguments which might be false.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cIt\u2019s going to be just like the Save the Child Pandas NGO, which is like, who doesn\u2019t wish to save the newborn pandas? They\u2019re lovely. However then it seems no pandas are being saved on this factor, it\u2019s simply corruption, primarily.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cAnd also you\u2019re like, \u2018Effectively, are you able to ship us an image of the panda?\u2019 They\u2019re like, \u2018No.\u2019 OK. Effectively, how do we all know it\u2019s going to the pandas?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This reply deserves calling out particularly what Musk is doing right here: he\u2019s dismissing packages that distribute HIV medicines, stop malaria deaths, and supply tuberculosis therapy as in the event that they had been all hypothetical panda scams. These aren\u2019t summary NGOs of questionable provenance. These are well-established US authorities packages, that had been run by means of USAID, with many years of documented outcomes, rigorous monitoring, and sure, these Inspectors Normal that Trump systematically fired to clear the best way for DOGE\u2019s rampage.<\/p>\n<p>Musk\u2019s condescending little fable about demanding pictures of pandas could be merely unbearable if he had been truly speaking about pandas. However he\u2019s not. He\u2019s speaking about packages the place we don\u2019t must guess whether or not they work\u2014now we have the info. We all know how many individuals acquired antiretroviral remedy. We all know what number of youngsters had been vaccinated. We all know the mortality charges earlier than and after these interventions. The \u201cimage of the panda,\u201d on this case, is 600 thousand extra deaths since these packages had been gutted. There\u2019s your fucking image, Elon.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s fairly clear now could be that DOGE <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/2025\/10\/14\/musk-promised-to-cut-2-trillion-government-spending-went-up-instead\/\">did nothing to reduce government inefficiency<\/a>. If something, it created <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/2025\/10\/01\/doges-efficiency-theater-comes-full-circle-trump-admin-scrambles-to-rehire-the-very-workers-musk-fired-to-save-money\/\">much greater inefficiency<\/a> by forcing the federal authorities to attempt to reestablish important packages (and rehire haphazardly fired consultants) in a mad sprint to maintain sure points of the federal government from utterly falling over. And that\u2019s to not point out <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/culture\/the-new-yorker-documentary\/the-shutdown-of-usaid-has-already-killed-hundreds-of-thousands\">all the deaths<\/a>. As Atul Gawande famous within the New Yorker:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><em>We at the moment are witnessing what the historian Richard Rhodes termed \u201cpublic man-made dying,\u201d which, he noticed, has been maybe essentially the most ignored reason for mortality within the final century. Brooke Nichols, the Boston College epidemiologist and mathematical modeller, has maintained a revered<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.impactcounter.com\/dashboard?view=table&amp;sort=interval_minutes&amp;order=asc\"><em><u>tracker of current impact<\/u><\/em><\/a><em>. The mannequin is conservative, assuming, for instance, that the State Division will totally maintain<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/interactive\/2025\/06\/22\/us\/politics\/usaid-foreign-aid-trump.html\"><em><u>the programs that remain<\/u><\/em><\/a><em>. As of November fifth, it estimated that U.S.A.I.D.\u2019s dismantling has already brought on the deaths of 600 thousand folks, two-thirds of them youngsters.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The toll is appalling and can proceed to develop. However these losses shall be tougher to see than these of struggle. For one, they unfold slowly. When H.I.V. or tuberculosis goes untested, unprevented, or inadequately handled, months or years can go earlier than an individual dies. The identical is true for deaths from vaccine-preventable sicknesses. One other issue is that the deaths are scattered. Suppose the sudden withdrawal of help raises a rustic\u2019s under-five dying price from three per cent to 4 per cent. That will be a one-third enhance in deaths, however exhausting to understand just by trying round.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The true tragedy right here is that Elon Musk will get to sit down in a podcast studio and spin cute parables about imaginary panda fraud whereas precise youngsters die from illnesses we all know methods to stop. The obscenity of evaluating tuberculosis packages and HIV therapy to a hypothetical panda rip-off is breathtaking, even whether it is completely predictable. That is what occurs whenever you let tech billionaires play authorities effectivity skilled: they\u2019re completely snug with mass dying so long as they will body it as combating \u201cwaste.\u201d 600 thousand folks\u2014two-thirds of them youngsters\u2014aren\u2019t hypothetical. They\u2019re not pandas. They\u2019re useless.<\/p>\n<p>So no, the query isn\u2019t whether or not DOGE \u201cnonetheless exists\u201d as an organizational chart entry. The query is whether or not anybody shall be held accountable for 600 thousand deaths and the systematic dismantling of packages that took many years to construct. These DOGE members nervously telling one another to \u201cget your personal lawyer\u201d? They need to be.<\/p>\n<p class=\"filed\">\n<p>\tFiled Underneath: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/consequences\/\" rel=\"tag\">consequences<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/death\/\" rel=\"tag\">death<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/doge\/\" rel=\"tag\">doge<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/elon-musk\/\" rel=\"tag\">elon musk<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/tag\/usaid\/\" rel=\"tag\">usaid<\/a><br \/>\n\t<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<iframe data-lazy=\"true\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.fiverr.com\/gig_widgets?id=U2FsdGVkX18x7XQvttUTrv1oEqmGNGTgvvCUiUoJ\/AP4z\/UyMz8lXGOLpu15jIMxBbTR0gmD5uBoFvhC4KWeALQRp3h\/X\/AwcVD0K8Wj9H\/ZzYKzcCNHosB9oS4SCJJFWiN85P9ICAc4OgCoE\/wHKIY7CDkf2\/DQ1vqGvk4smVe5cRDEmrLPCWi4FC8p40VUhSmWQ5udCm0zoJtorgWv3vbDQw0kKYkwn39ozAnQXDe+YvWMxkLFWA+O3TFwkJvdkIK+\/AUSnRssPKt5WHY0FhNOxnSPcLslEL4G4\/RfP95ve99U+kRnDy3X+KtzdQLY+u935ghON\/o3UE4IMv9oN6JX9RnxzL\/LRcOgnHigxStSGPKsZYtnz8RWNVT\/rOLAibqiWJadC5MYHRbekF3eg6FOGrQGkXYbsn0+a5aovnlLCbLwIqY9fcS17UX8J235iQ6cdmHNbrPeS84CMm34RA==&affiliate_id=1052423&strip_google_tagmanager=true\" loading=\"lazy\" data-with-title=\"true\" class=\"fiverr_nga_frame\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"350\" width=\"100%\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer-when-downgrade\" data-mode=\"random_gigs\" onload=\" var frame = this; var script = document.createElement('script'); script.addEventListener('load', function() { window.FW_SDK.register(frame); }); script.setAttribute('src', 'https:\/\/www.fiverr.com\/gig_widgets\/sdk'); document.body.appendChild(script); \" ><\/iframe>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/2025\/12\/03\/forget-whether-or-not-doge-exists-will-anyone-be-held-accountable-for-600000-deaths\/\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>from the where-are-the-legal-consequences dept First, let\u2019s dispense with the theater: the query of whether or not DOGE \u201cnonetheless exists\u201d as a proper entity utterly misses&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":55749,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-104829","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-tech-universe"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Forget Whether Or Not DOGE Exists: Will Anyone Be Held Accountable For 600,000 Deaths? - mailinvest.blog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Technology is forever changing, and there are always new pieces of technology to replace obsolete ones. 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